[NTLUG:Discuss] RFC: ITT Tech

[Kipton Moravec]

You must get a degree.  I know good people who have been let go because 
they do not have a B.S. degree.  And the people that were kept were not as 
good but they had a degree.  HR has a lot of people applying at the moment 
everywhere and the degree is the first weed out step. It is a binary 
process.  Have a degree they will look closer, no degree then resume goes 
in trash bin.

It really sucks to have 20+ years of experience and no job. My advice is to 
get a degree from the best college that will let you in.  It opens up 
doors.  ITT and Devry, (in my opinion) are towards the bottom of the list 
if you want a competitive degree. When I worked for TI Defense Group (a 
long time ago) I do not think we hired any people for engineering positions 
from ITT or Devry.

Of course the other option is to go into business for yourself.  I have not 
had any customers ask me what my degree is or where I went to college.  It 
is not as easy as working 9-5 for someone else, but it has its rewards. The 
good news is that some things are turning around.  I am seeing my business 
pick up a lot since December.

Kip


At 05:28 PM 5/9/04, you wrote:
>  > I would think long and hard before attempting to start a career in
>>programming now.  For the most part our (software) industry is 
>>toast!!!  I would say that for the next 5 years the competition for new 
>>graduates getting into this industry will make it nearly impossible. The 
>>last figures I've read indicated that the industry has lost over 300,000 
>>jobs (about 10%) that aren't coming back.  You'll be competing with 
>>people having over 5-7 years of experience and I'm not sure there are any 
>>entry level jobs available anymore.  There's been a drop of 30%-40% in 
>>salaries and consulting rates, and it's still dropping.
>
>Thank you for your well thought out comments.....but
>
>Is a McJob the best I can hope for with 20+ yrs experience in computers 
>and electronics but no degree?
>
>Sincerely,
>./aal
>
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