[NTLUG:Discuss] linux newbie manual

Thu Mar 7 15:35:43 CST 2002

micky hotmail wrote:

>Brian and everyone,
>I will license this under free license.  I want to post this on ntlug's
>site, and also on www.linuxnewbie.org, if I get their permission.  Can we
>license it before it's finished?  If so, I'll do that right now.  I do
>understand the awkwardness of hosting it on a coorporate training site, so
>if i get permission, i would really like to put in on ntlug's site as soon
>as possible.  But if noone really cares, then we'll just leave it on PD's
>site.
>
I think we can put a link somewhere on ntlug.org.  I think as far as 
hosting the actual
pages, I'll need board approval since it could bring complications 
depending upon
the popularity of the pages (of course we have hosted Chris Browne's 
pages for so long...
I guess it really doesn't matter).  ... so I'm guessing that we can make 
this happen.
We can certainly link to it first and then get something set up on the 
server later.

>
>Because this will be a free license documentation, i'm always looking for
>other places where we may submit this material for internet and non-internet
>postings.
>
I'd like you also to talk to Dennis Rice who is heading up our new NTLUG 
Training
arm (drice at dal.devry.edu ... he probably has a home email.. I just 
couldn't locate
it).  We can look at setting up a mail list or a newsgroup to handle 
stuff.  However,
if this has broader reach... probably should go to sourceforge or that GNU
collaboration site (the name elludes me right now).... you'll have more 
visibility
as well for the project (I think?).

>
>When, and not if, I start publishing this in book form, I want to donate the
>profits to ntlug and their operations.  I have no need for profits gained
>from publishing this, as I will be using it myself to teach Linux classes.
>This project started out as a hobby, as I was tutoring some friends from
>Rockwall, TX in Linux administration to pass the now-bankrupt (and possible
>illegitimate) company called linuxgruven.  I was going to be giving them the
>manual to help improve their teaching materials, which were very hard to
>understand.  But since their business practices were ethically questionable,
>and I am affiliated with another company, I have no desire to do so.
>I updated the website to address all these concerns:
>http://www.prodirections.com/linux
>
I doubt you'll make too much since the publication is available for 
free... hopefully
"the money" is not a prime motivator.  Some publishing companies may 
give you some
grief about publising because of this as well... you may want to 
research some
companies on that... I guess O'Reilley has published some in the past... 
but if you've
ever dealt with publishers before you'll know that they like to OWN 
every word
printed.

>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <brian at pongonova.net>
>To: <discuss at ntlug.org>
>Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 12:57 PM
>Subject: Re: [NTLUG:Discuss] linux newbie manual
>
>
>>Micky--
>>
>>Do you have plans on releasing this document under a free license?  Or
>>will distribution be restricted by some sort of proprietary license?
>>Reason I ask is that I would be glad to help proofread it if the
>>document wasn't encumbered with any type of license/copyright
>>restrictions.  Othewise, if I'm going to help you proofread a document
>>that will retain commercial restrictions on distribution, derivation,
>>etc., I'd expect to be compensated accordingly.
>>
>>The only reason I bring this up is I noticed the site you're hosting
>>the document on is a corporate training site.
>>
>>  --Brian
>>
>>On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 05:14:12PM -0600, micky hotmail wrote:
>>
>>>yes, definately doing security later.
>>>...on a new note, would it better not to post this project on this
>>>newsgroup?  If someone pointed me in the right direction (or if someone
>>>wanted to do it for me, which would be great, since i'm low on time for
>>>
>the
>
>>>next month), we could create a list just for this newbie documentation
>>>project.
>>>I need to contact www.linuxnewbie.org to see if they would want to help
>>>contribute to this project (and vice-versa).
>>>-Micky
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: <kbrannen at gte.net>
>>>To: <discuss at ntlug.org>
>>>Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 11:01 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [NTLUG:Discuss] linux newbie manual
>>>
>>>
>>>>Cameron Moore wrote:
>>>>
>>>>...
>>>>
>>>>>The next logical question is: So what do I use?  Well, that depends.
>>>>>
>If
>
>>>>>you need a word processor, you could look into using OpenOffice[2].
>>>>>
>I
>
>>>>>personally don't like OpenOffice because it's relatively bloated if
>>>>>
>all
>
>>>>>you want to do is view documents.  Based on my own personal
>>>>>
>experience
>
>>>>>creating documentation for an open-source project[3], I would use
>>>>>
>LaTeX.
>
>>>>>From LaTex sources, you can generate a PDF, PostScript, HTML, or
>>>>>
>some
>
>>>>>other file format.  It is really quite powerful, but you forfeit
>>>>>ease-of-use for flexibility (comparied to a WYSIWYG editor).  I
>>>>>
>haven't
>
>>>>>used it, but there is a WYSISYG editor for LaTeX called Lyx[4].
>>>>>
>Might
>
>>>>>want to give it a go.
>>>>>
>>>>...
>>>>
>>>>>[4] http://www.lyx.org/
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I'll definitely second (and third!) Lyx as an publishing tool.  I've
>>>>
>used
>
>>>it
>>>
>>>>to create a 15 page document before, then "publish" it in several
>>>>
>formats,
>
>>>>including HTML.
>>>>
>>>>A quick overview of the networking page shows:
>>>>
>>>>---quote---
>>>>[inetd secion] Any time you change any networking configuration file,
>>>>
>you
>
>>>must
>>>
>>>>restart the daemon.  The inetd daemon is restarted by issuing the
>>>>
>command
>
>>>>/etc/rc.d/init.d/inetd restart. ...
>>>>---quote---
>>>>
>>>>True, however you might also want to point out that you can cause the
>>>>
>>>daemon
>>>
>>>>to reread it's configuration file (inetd.conf) by sending the inetd
>>>>
>>>process a
>>>
>>>>HUP signal.  [Side note since you said you were going to cover xinetd
>>>>
>in
>
>>>the
>>>
>>>>future; to force xinetd to reread its config file, you must send it
>>>>
>the
>
>>>USR1
>>>
>>>>signal.  It took me a while find that out...grrrr...]
>>>>
>>>>In the ftp section, you might want to point out there are multiple ftp
>>>>packages available, with an overview of pros/cons of each.  Or
>>>>
>warnings to
>
>>>>stay away from certain packages if at all possible. :-)
>>>>
>>>>There is a lot of good stuff in there, good job!  I can tell you
>>>>
>aren't
>
>>>done
>>>
>>>>yet, but formatting will be a major job...good luck!
>>>>
>>>>I don't see anything about security.  An oversight or is that in the
>>>>
>part
>
>>>>that's not written yet?  Security is a major part of networking.  I'm
>>>>
>>>talking
>>>
>>>>about stuff like:  turning off services you don't need, not installing
>>>>
>>>some
>>>
>>>>packages, checking logs, not allowing "easy" passwords, etc.  I saw
>>>>
>the
>
>>>>section on firewalls, but I guess I'm talking about overall security.
>>>>
>>>>I'll try to read more later.  Good job and good luck!
>>>>
>>>>Kevin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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