[NTLUG:Discuss] RE:
Fred James
fredjame at concentric.net
Thu Sep 13 15:08:15 CDT 2001
I am on Linux (Red Hat 7.1) using Netscape Communicator 6.1
Mine is iso-8859-1 and I am not having any problem.
Personal comment: When one is part the way up the mountain, one turns
to lend a hand to those not as far up, and looks up for the helping
hands from those who may be a bit ahead. In starting a the base in MS
land, and moving up as I can, I have though all the more of the folks on
this list who have displayed their willingness to reach down to lend a
hand to someone mired in an MS problem - that spirit shines out like a
guiding beacon to a better understanding. MS bound folks have issues to
resolve - like the fear that any OS is unknowable, and the confusion of
not knowing what is OS and what is application. I especially applaud
those efforts that use guidance and teaching as the mode of helping,
though I understand an occasional spood-feeding may be required.
To all my fellow aspirants: Take heart, you can do it, it is knowable
and there is help, but you will have to put out some effort, and it will
take time - give yourself time.
MadHat wrote:
> Only real difference I see is
> charset="iso-8859-1" on the "legible" as compaired to
> charset="us-ascii"; on mine...
>
> I remember why I hate MS products...
>
> good luck
>
> At 02:16 PM 9/13/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>
>> Steve,
>>
>> I really appreciated reading this. Thank You, and Dan Carlson for
>> sending
>> replies.
>>
>> Since I made the post, I have received five emails in response. Three
>> were unreadable, and two (including yours) were legible. I am
>> attaching one
>> of each of those emails for you and anyone who will help resolve my
>> issue,
>> as I do so want to be a part of this group.
>> ________________________________________________
>> Dan Carlson's legible email header:
>>
>> Return-Path: <dmcarlsn at yahoo.com>
>> Received: from server.dcarlson.net (105.97-89-63.adsl.directlink.net
>> [63.89.97.105])
>> by ns1.acculock.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA04051
>> for <john at acculock.com>; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 13:44:18 -0500
>> Received: from DMCNOTE (server.dcarlson.net [63.89.97.105])
>> by server.dcarlson.net (8.11.3/8.11.3/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5)
>> with SMTP id
>> f8DIHj621243;
>> Thu, 13 Sep 2001 13:17:45 -0500
>> Message-ID: <003901c13c80$449795f0$6e03a8c0 at dcarlson.net>
>> From: "Dan Carlson" <dmcarlsn at yahoo.com>
>> To: <discuss at ntlug.org>, "John" <john at acculock.com>
>> References: <3BA02DE2.3C60EB10 at acm.org>
>> <5.1.0.14.0.20010913122423.04da5898 at pop.unspecific.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NTLUG:Discuss] RE:
>> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 13:16:53 -0500
>> MIME-Version: 1.0
>> Content-Type: text/plain;
>> charset="iso-8859-1"
>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>> X-Priority: 3
>> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
>> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200
>> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200
>> Status:
>> _________________________________________________
>> MadHat's illegible email header:
>>
>> Return-Path: <madhat at unspecific.com>
>> Received: from smtp-dallas.yahoo.com (pop-dallas.yahoo.com
>> [63.250.212.19])
>> by ns1.acculock.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA03980
>> for <john at acculock.com>; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 13:00:39 -0500
>> Received: from madhat-win2k.unspecific.com (172-21-142-63.broadcast.com
>> [172.21.142.63] (may be forged))
>> by smtp-dallas.yahoo.com (8.11.6/8.11.6/smtp-dallas) with SMTP id
>> f8DHY6m11919;
>> Thu, 13 Sep 2001 12:34:06 -0500 (CDT)
>> Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010913122423.04da5898 at pop.unspecific.com>
>> X-Sender: madhat at pop.unspecific.com
>> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1
>> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 12:33:21 -0500
>> To: discuss at ntlug.org, "John" <john at acculock.com>
>> From: MadHat <madhat at unspecific.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NTLUG:Discuss] RE:
>> In-Reply-To: <NFBBKJBIILHKPEFOAJDOAECDCCAA.john at acculock.com>
>> References: <3BA02DE2.3C60EB10 at acm.org>
>> Mime-Version: 1.0
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>> Status:
>> _________________________________________________
>>
>> thanks,
>> John
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Steve Jackson [mailto:sjackson at stratmarkcorp.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 12:22 PM
>> To: discuss at ntlug.org
>> Cc: john at acculock.com
>> Subject: RE: [NTLUG:Discuss] RE:
>>
>>
>> I'm sorry to here that someone is having problems getting help from
>> such a
>> helpfull group. I use Outlook 2000 and have never had a problem.
>> There are
>> some security problems in Outlook, but pretty much all of them that I'm
>> aware of have been addressed with patches and how-tos for resolving the
>> issues.
>>
>> Instead of recommending 'discontinuance of use of Microsoft Outlook2000,'
>> (although I realize it's your opinion, and respect it as such) let's
>> see if
>> we can help John out, so he can get the benefits of postings from and to
>> this group.
>>
>> John, what exactly is the problem? Can you be more specific?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: discuss-admin at ntlug.org [mailto:discuss-admin at ntlug.org]On
>> Behalf Of
>> Daniel Hauck
>> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 12:05 PM
>> To: discuss at ntlug.org; announce at ntlug.org
>> Cc: (NTLUG) RCook
>> Subject: Re: [NTLUG:Discuss] RE:
>>
>>
>> What a tragedy. Actually, I don't mean this sarcastically either.
>>
>> First, in Microsoft's arrogance, it is my presumption that they might
>> have
>> done something to prevent normal (standard) emailing to be prevented.
>> It's
>> likely you can turn this "feature" off but who knows where the problem
>> really lies.
>>
>> Second, NTLUG is not only about the support and promotion of Linux. I
>> would
>> venture to extend the notion of promotion to the migration of users from
>> Windows, which in my opinion, is a tremendous hurdle when you consider
>> it.
>> (It's like the rationale of the fearful skydiver -- "Why would I want to
>> jump out a perfectly good airplane???")
>>
>> Now to fully address the Outlook2000 issue, please don't think of me as
>> "closed minded" about it, but I recommend the immediate discontinuance of
>> use of Microsoft Outlook2000. The security vulnerabilities faced by
>> users
>> of Outlook products are mostly "by design" and so you can expect a
>> relatively uninterrupted flow of such problems throughout its use.
>>
>> Soon, with the release of Windows XP and as it eventually gains ground in
>> the corporate world, we will see more of such problems where Microsoft
>> will
>> begin to blame the internet and TCP/IP as the point of failure; that
>> TCP/IP
>> is a flawed protocol from a security and reliability standpoint. They
>> will
>> then create their own "more secure" variant that will essentially be
>> compatible yet proprietary. Maybe this might sound like ms paranoia to
>> some, but consider Microsoft's methods as used in the past, their lack of
>> motivation to change their methods and their arrogant stance in the
>> face of
>> the anti-trust actions already in court. This is not a far-fetched
>> prediction.
>>
>> Now, more than ever, a path to migration is a necessary part of NTLUG's
>> promotional role.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: John
>> To: discuss at ntlug.org ; announce at ntlug.org
>> Cc: (NTLUG) RCook
>> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:42 AM
>> Subject: [NTLUG:Discuss] RE:
>>
>>
>> As you (ntlug.org) cannot seem to get emails to me in a format
>> MS-Outlook2000 can view, I have to ask you to remove me from the emailing
>> list. I have been asking for assistance for months, and only received
>> a few
>> emails in attempt to resolve the issue (thanks to Rick Cook for what
>> he has
>> done). I responded to all visible emails, all non-visible emails were
>> replied to with "this is yet another blank email". I have been doing
>> my part
>> to resolve the issue, and you have not (dropped the ball/disregarded the
>> issue without notification).
>>
>> I still cannot even begin to fathom how, one person can send to me from
>> ntlug.org, and another cannot.
>>
>> I can not and will not recommend this to others, unless you give a
>> concerted
>> attempt resolve the issue.
>>
>> sorry,
>> john
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: announce-admin at ntlug.org [mailto:announce-admin at ntlug.org]
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 10:54 PM
>> To: announce at ntlug.org; discuss at ntlug.org
>> Subject:
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> http://www.ntlug.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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