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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>No Problemo…. MS is just doing what
they are supposed to – they are shrewd business people and you have to
give them that… Chris is totally correct which is what I meant by more
people working on what I called Loopholes… the open source can be less
penetrable down the road since more people are working on it and no inferences
to your integrity (or anyone elses) were made or infered my friend… I did
not read the article but if you are right and they were insinuating that open
source writers have less integrity then of course we all know that to be just a
spin technique on their part…. As a successful international developer
myself, I admire their diligence, however, understanding that their argument is
weak at best…. I think we are on the same page here…. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Have a great holiday weekend amigo,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Kevin<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> discuss-admin@ntlug.org
[mailto:discuss-admin@ntlug.org] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of
</span></b>MontyS@videopost.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, May 23, 2002 5:54
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> discuss@ntlug.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [NTLUG:Discuss]
Washington Post article</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:blue'>Well, okay ... point taken. :></span></font> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:blue'>In reality, I am probably not quite as passionate about this
subject as it may appear. I guess I was interpreting the aforementioned
statement in the same light as you interpreted mine. I read the statement
to mean "Well, Microsoft is more secure than open-source, and since there
isn't a study disproving this, then that must be the way it is".
Reading that, in conjunction with the Microsoft people talking about
open-source software being inherently more insecure due to it's open-source
nature... well, that just rang my bell a little too loudly. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:blue'>It was like they were insinuating that there is a subtle lack
of integrity on the part of open-source writers, (Which I am defenitely NOT.)
and that Microsoft code had more "integrity" behind it.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:blue'>I know that Linux and all the other *nix operating systems
are vulnerable as well. It just seems like Microsoft products have a
disproportionate amount of holes in them that have to be filled, especially
when one considers how long they have been releasing software. This
opinion is just based on what I have read and heard.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:blue'>I did not mean to speak out of turn. I am far from
being an expert on these matters.</span></font> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:blue'>Sorry for the venting. I will attempt to remain
upright... I'm taking deep breaths...</span></font> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:blue'>Monty</span></font> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=1 face=Arial><span style='font-size:
7.5pt;font-family:Arial'>-----Original Message-----</span></font> <br>
<b><font size=1 face=Arial><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Arial;
font-weight:bold'>From: </span></font></b> <font size=1 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Arial'>Ward Networks
[SMTP:Kevin@wardnetworks.com]</span></font> <br>
<b><font size=1 face=Arial><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Arial;
font-weight:bold'>Sent: </span></font></b> <font size=1 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Arial'>Thursday, May 23, 2002 5:05 PM</span></font>
<br>
<b><font size=1 face=Arial><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Arial;
font-weight:bold'>To: </span></font></b> <font size=1
face=Arial><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Arial'>discuss@ntlug.org</span></font>
<br>
<b><font size=1 face=Arial><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Arial;
font-weight:bold'>Subject: </span></font></b>
<font size=1 face=Arial><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Arial'>RE:
[NTLUG:Discuss] Washington Post article</span></font> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Monty,</span></font> <br>
<font color=black><span style='color:black'> </span></font> <br>
<font color=black><span style='color:black'>A little balance here amigo...I can
see that you are passionate with this subject but ALL code is equally
vunerable, I have specific engineering applications published in 170 countries
- there have been clever individuals from 5 continents whom I have worked with
over the years that can penetrate just about any situation you can rig together
with any OS. MS gets more attention because it is the prevelant system in place
today...as Linux becomes more prevelant in the market place, you will see the
same vunerability learning curve that MS has been consistantly dealing with as
more people out there decide to hack the Linux system. The plus side of
the situation is that many more people will be detecting and closing the
loopholes on the Linux side but the professors statement is thouroughly
correct, there is no silver bullet with Linux or any other system availbable
today.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font> <br>
<font color=black><span style='color:black'>My personal viewpoint is that the
government should use Linux because I would like them to use less of my tax
dollars but the issue is of little difference from a technical perspective.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font> <br>
<font color=black><span style='color:black'>Kevin</span></font> <br>
<font color=black><span style='color:black'> </span></font> <br>
<font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> discuss-admin@ntlug.org [<a
href="mailto:discuss-admin@ntlug.org">mailto:discuss-admin@ntlug.org</a>]</span></font><b><span
style='font-weight:bold'> </span></b><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of</span></font></b>
<font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>MontyS@videopost.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, May 23, 2002 4:37
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> discuss@ntlug.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [NTLUG:Discuss]
Washington Post article</span></font> <br>
<br>
<font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:blue'>Although the pushy nature of Microsoft, as displayed in this
article, is very disturbing, what disturbes me more is the following statement:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>"I have never seen a
systematic study that showed open source to be more secure."
WHAT? This is coming from a professor of</span></font> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>computer science at
Georgetown University? Apparently, she has spent too much time in front
of the lecturn, and too little time in front</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>of the computer screen!!!</span></font><font
face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'> </span></font><br>
<font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:blue'>I guess that is just her opinion...</span></font><font
face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'> </span></font><br>
<font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:blue'>And she is actually teaching computer science courses?!
Hopefully nothing above Computer Security 101.</span></font><font face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial'> </span></font><br>
<font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:blue'>Monty</span></font><font face=Arial><span style='font-family:
Arial'> </span></font><br>
<br>
<font size=1 face=Arial><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Arial'>-----Original
Message-----</span></font><font face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'><br>
</span></font><b><font size=1 face=Arial><span style='font-size:7.5pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From: </span></font></b> <font
size=1 face=Arial><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Arial'>Stephen
Davidson [SMTP:gorky@freenet.carleton.ca]</span></font><font face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial'><br>
</span></font><b><font size=1 face=Arial><span style='font-size:7.5pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent: </span></font></b> <font
size=1 face=Arial><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Arial'>Thursday, May
23, 2002 3:14 PM</span></font><font face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'><br>
</span></font><b><font size=1 face=Arial><span style='font-size:7.5pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To: </span></font></b>
<font size=1 face=Arial><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Arial'>NTLUG</span></font><font
face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'><br>
</span></font><b><font size=1 face=Arial><span style='font-size:7.5pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject: </span></font></b>
<font size=1 face=Arial><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Arial'>[NTLUG:Discuss]
Washington Post article</span></font><font face=Arial><span style='font-family:
Arial'> </span></font><br>
<font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Seems
the Pentagon can no longer purchase open source software. Oh wait, its
free....</span></font><font face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'> </span></font><br>
<br>
<font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>-Steve</span></font><font
face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'> </span></font><br>
<u><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:blue'><<a
href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A60050-2002May22.html"
target="_blank">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A60050-2002May22.html</a>></span></font></u><font
face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'> </span></font><br>
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