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<DIV>THANK you David!</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="ＭＳ Ｐゴシック">And I don't think it would be hard to accumulate a
HUGE database of exploitable bugs in Windows NT alone, let alone Windows
products like IIS where a BUILT-IN BACK DOOR was discovered. (MS claimed
it was the work of an ex-employee or the like but that still doesn't remove
their responsibility.) In short, it can be shown that they have been
historically negligent and continue to be so. It can also be shown that
when they were informed of the problem, it was ignored. As a BUGTRAQ
subscriber, I have seen that scenario too often as well.</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=dbneeley@earthlink.net href="mailto:dbneeley@earthlink.net">David
Neeley</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt ＭＳ Ｐゴシック"><B>To:</B> <A title=discuss@ntlug.org
href="mailto:discuss@ntlug.org">discuss@ntlug.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt ＭＳ Ｐゴシック"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, August 10, 2001 6:03
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt ＭＳ Ｐゴシック"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NTLUG:Discuss] Real
dangers of CR2</DIV>
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<DIV>Fred,</DIV>
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<DIV>I can think of several scenarios where the owner of a motor vehicle
is not a responsible party. For example, if your car is stolen and then
is involved in an accident, you are not responsible.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Owners' responsibility is a function of their allowing someone else
to drive the vehicle. In all cases, the operator of the vehicle is
responsible, without exception insofar as I am aware. Therefore, the
statement that the owner is deemed to be *the* responsible party is
untrue. Depending upon the circumstances, the vehicle owner may be *a*
responsible party.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Manufacturers have been held liable in many cases in which they had
no adjudicated *criminal* liability. When private parties sue, the
negligence they claim is a civil standard of negligence. Criminal
negligence is only determined in a criminal suit, brought by a
governmental unit on behalf of "the people" and not by any individual or
individuals.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>A manufacturer of a computer OS might in fact be found grossly
negligent in releasing a product that is defective based upon a standard
of reasonable fitness for purpose.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>David</DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>From:</B></I> <A
href="mailto:discuss@ntlug.org">discuss@ntlug.org</A></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>Date:</B></I> Friday, August
10, 2001 11:25:11 AM</DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>To:</B></I> <A
href="mailto:discuss@ntlug.org">discuss@ntlug.org</A></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>Subject:</B></I> Re:
[NTLUG:Discuss] Real dangers of CR2</DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>Under the laws in the USA, the owner of the "at fault"
vehicle in any<BR>motoring incident is deemed to be the responsible
party, and therefore<BR>liable for damages. The manufacturer of said
vehicle has to my<BR>knowledge only been held responsible in such cases
as they could be<BR>shown to be criminally negligent, having knowingly
sold a defective, or<BR>unsafe vehicle. I would presume that the
manufacturer of a computer OS,<BR>or other software, might at least
concentrate some of their defense in<BR>that area.<BR></TD></TR>
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