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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Off topic, but...</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>If you thought that KDE was slow....</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>On my computer KDE2 is a lot slower than KDE. It seems to do equivalent tasks in about double</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>the time as KDE. For example, opening a window to display my home directory takes 3 seconds</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>under KDE and 7 seconds under KDE2. </FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Granted that I am looking at a beta release of KDE2, but I don't think that there is much time</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>left for optimazation before the final release.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Regards,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Steven Gorwood</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>From: Randall Gibson [<A HREF="mailto:wabbit@tvec.net">mailto:wabbit@tvec.net</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2000 8:13 AM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>To: discuss@ntlug.org</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Subject: Re: [NTLUG:Discuss] Office forms</FONT>
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<P> <FONT SIZE=2>I'm sorry I didnt mention that this is a p-200 computer. Like I said Star Office runs slow, when I tried KDE, it was slow also, but might be better now, but I have gotten into Gnome. I am downloading WordPerfect now to try it. I knew there are several posibilities that may do what I need, just didnt want to D/L all of them to find the "Right one" :)</FONT></P>
<P> <FONT SIZE=2>Thanks for all the input.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>On Sat, 22 Jul 2000 06:57:26 Jonathan Brugge wrote:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> You can wait a few weeks: in September there'll be the release of KDE2, and</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> KOffice will be released too, or that's at least what I've heard. If you</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> really want to try it, download the alfa/beta version of KDE2 and install</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> KOffice-beta-release. I've haven't done so myself, but it is possible. They</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> say KOffice is usable already and they say it's good too. Take a look at the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> KOffice-page at www.koffice.org.</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Jonathan Brugge <A HREF="mailto:jonathan_brugge@hotmail.com">mailto:jonathan_brugge@hotmail.com</A></FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ----- Original Message -----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> From: <greenglow484@juno.com></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> To: <discuss@ntlug.org></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2000 7:22 AM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Subject: Re: [NTLUG:Discuss] Office forms</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > Randall --</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > I concur with James Skidmore's idea today, to try WordPerfect for Linux.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > I'm not able to comment intelligently on other, established Linux text</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > editors there might be for your use; some of the older, established Linux</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > tools. Maybe someone else can comment on that further. Also, I don't</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > have much experience with Klyx. Have you tried it? My overall</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > impression was, somewhat abbreviated like Abiword, but still a fine word</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > processor/ editing / composition program.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > I've only briefly tried ApplixWare on Linux; it did seem to be more slim</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > than StarOfc. I definitely believe WordPerfect -- either V. 8, or,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > probably, their V. 2000 (or V. 9; it goes by both monikers; I own the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > Linux version 8, but not 9/2000) -- definitely_feels_, to me, like less</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > of a resource hog than Star Ofc. (That's also definitely true in the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > Windoze side of my machine; WordPerfect 2000 for Windoze does seem</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > slimmer/ more efficient than StarOfc 6.2, although StarOfc. 6.2 also runs</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > a little better than 6.1 did.)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > In fact, my own bias is that I think Word Perfect, on both the Windoze</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > and Linux platforms, is a superior word processing program in every</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > respect, beating both M$ Word and StarOfc in anything you want to try</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > (except, perhaps, in opening files which were originally created in</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > monopolistic, proprietary, innovation-stifling, creativity-stifling M$</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > office document formats).</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > I think one reason for WP slimness/ StarOfc. bloat is what Kevin Brannen</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > commented below, earlier today: When you crank up StarOfc., it all</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > comes as a package, at once: the word processor, spreadsheet, image</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > editor, etc. Contrast: WordPerf. is a word processor, solo; it may have</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > some image editing, vector graphic or other schemes it can call on, but</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > it's basically a word processor by itself. In the WordPerf. suite, you</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > don't get the spreadsheet app., unless you open that app. or call on its</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > functions; same as to graphics editor, etc.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > I just read something, somewhere, yesterday on the Net, that V. 6 of</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > StarOfc. is going to separate the functions, so only the individual</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > program, when started, will arise, not the whole package; we'll see.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > Given that you disdain StarOfc. sufficiently, if I were you, I'd at</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > least_try_WordPerfect; all you can do, at worst, is decide you dislike</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > it more than StarOfc., if that's the case. If, instead, you do like it,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > so much the better. And, for $5 for a CD at NTLUG, you can't beat the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > price (or download it for free from Corel). (And, if you've got some</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > boxed sets around there, maybe you already have a copy on one of them).</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > Sure wish KDE Office would get here; also, wish I knew how to code, so I</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > could try to help write the thing........</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > On Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:46:07 -0500 (CDT) "James L. Skidmore"</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > <james@linux-guy.com> writes:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > How about Applix Office or Wordperfect Office 2000? Neither is free,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > but</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > I know for a fact that Applix is not the resource hog that Star</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > Office is.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > <snip></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > On Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:54:12 Kevin Brannen wrote:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > > Randall Gibson wrote:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > > ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > > > Hello to all :)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > > > I have a desire to stop using Star Office to fill out</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > some forms I use for work to close calls/order Parts/Timecard....</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > Star Office is so extremely slow, it is a burden at often times, and</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > I would like to keep it just for opening a occasional M$ Office</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > document, not for everyday use. The forms are to be faxed in, so</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > format is not a issue.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > > Yeh, it is a real resource pig. I suspect that if it were a set</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > of programs</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > > so you ran only what you used instead of 1 huge program, it'd be</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > > reasonable...oh well...</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > > > Basically all I need, once it is set up, is to tab to a</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > few designated fields, fill in the blanks, choose from a couple drop</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > down menu's for trouble codes, and check a few boxes for other</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > options. This is to make it compatable with the M$ doc form my</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > company sent me to do these tasks. It took quite awhile to get it</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > setup in Star Office (I opted to use a database to track parts) and</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > I am not happy with the results. Takes longer to open Star Office</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > and then the form than it takes to fill it out.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > > > I have tried Abiword, and it is missing several features</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > I need. Hopefully later :)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > > > Thanks for any input on this subject.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > <snip></FONT>
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